Hehe yeah, well it's not too far off now actually. About 20cents per liter cheaper in the states, which is a bit, but alot less than people make out and like you said that extra little bit is from the government taking like 50 cents of every liter or something.
LOL yeah I heard that one too.
This HAS to be a Joke!
http://www.audiforums.com/m_69 ... page_1/key_/tm.htm#693578
ROFL no way someone would actually do that to their car!
ROFL no way someone would actually do that to their car!
Glad you enjoy LFS so much! I don't get much time to play myself anymore.
Have a go on the CTRA servers when you get a chance, we have been wanting to write up something for you guys to show everyone watching SRT what we have been doing and what the CTRA system is about, but we are working on developing new stuff so haven't really had the time. If you do get a chance feel free to MSN me with any questions, I am more than happy to do a walk through with you until we can get some documentation done up for you all at SRT. Like our reporting procedures, how the points system works, and the appeals process to name a few things.
http://www.raceauthority.com/ (24,783 unique licensed drivers and counting =)
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Who says that there isn't anything in the books now to be able to get real content into LFS? You have to get one foot in front of the other before you can run, personally I wouldn't, and don't want 'real' content until I am happy with the underlying groundwork, the physics. The 'real' part of it is only eyecandy...
I agree Sam, that for me also goes back to a conflict of interest in managing the servers and removing the unqualified drivers. They are starting this from the ground up to generate revenue, not to help a community or build on a community, if they did they would have seen that charging an arm and a leg just won't cut it. Their primary concern is the figures in the bank at the end of the day and banning people for anything other than blatent wrecking would ruin their figures. One could argue that upholding the rules diligently will spread the message they mean business which to me is what they are relying on to be able to generate the numbers, but they are going to have to have one hell of a marketing campaign in the terms of prizes for events and the like to be able to get any decent numbers in IMO.
Again this is all speculation, I would rather stick to LFS than waste $300 the first year to play something, when I could generate the same level of professionalism here in LFS, with one cracken' community that is, what, 7 years old now? LFS dev team has never been about to fleece us or to take anything more than what is required, they have coddled us until we stood up on our feet by ourselves and watched us walk =) He has let most everything grow organically, letting everything happen in due course. Not shove a set of rules at people from the getgo, say here you MUST follow this or you can't play with ANY of the content online. And ohh by the way instead of paying $50 in a one time fee, you must now pay 6x that to be able to play for one year.
I also agree that LFS has been left on it's own and the sim racing community as a whole doesn't really know of what LFS is capable of, other than it has little to no real content and is still Alpha, so they don't see a finished product they can put their money on. I wonder if we could see how many times RF/GTR/ect. ect. crash on people... bah thats getting off topic even more. 33 pages and rolling =) I see LFS as my 'professional' sim, some of the stuff just isn't created yet
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Yep, you are right, I was thinking too generalized, sorry =) You are right about the demo though, most new games I have ever seen had one, the ones that didn't already had a userbase.
Ohh Ohh I know I know "drumroll"
iRacing!!! Oh wait... I gotta give them a year first when they figure out that ripping off the average racer won't work...least I hope not...
iRacing!!! Oh wait... I gotta give them a year first when they figure out that ripping off the average racer won't work...least I hope not...
I think you better go check under the latest one
It's been a unibody since the C4 IIRC. I know for a fact that Nayked racing used to race vettes in the states and they had to switch to the viper because the vettes would flex more than what could be handled by the setup and the car would become a pile mush when pushing the limit. This came from Dave, one of the crewchiefs. A little history of the Vette.
http://www.welovecorvettes.com/history.html
"The unibody construction used in the C4 was prone to rattles and squeaks due to minimal sound deadening. "
I like the focus, but would they ever keep up to a Bentley Continental GT well into the triple digits in factory trim? I think not =)
I like the old Shelby Chargers, the SRT-4 concept was modeled after them. Shame they had torque steer up the wazzuu. With that turbo on the 2.2 you could do a 14.0 1/4 mile with a front wheel drive car back in the mid/late 80's, well before the 'tuner' market poped up.
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Flip side of that too is that products weren't promoted until they were released... =)
lol
Top notch once again SRT crew =) Still debating if I like the videos screening on top, but I will give it a bit to soak and see what it feels like
Thanks! Thats our goal =) We have plenty more ideas for you guys on the blocks, just to get this degree out of the way first... and the baby... and the car... ohh and the house...
LOL all 2% of them =)
We hear the complaints, it's a challenge to tackle with limited manpower to be sure. We know there is an issue with 'noob' drivers crashing people, we do have some concepts drawn up, have had for a good 6 months at least, but we cannot 'put the pen to paper' without some more manpower to shove at it. Reports alone can only do so much and they do a great job, but...
At least you have an excuss, best I can do is Aimee calls me to do something or the phone rings...
It's Ben and Jerrys Cherry Garcia for me, they used to make it as icecream, but brought it back as frozen yougert, tastes the same, with something like 90% less fat which means I will now be 90% less fat than I would have been normally. That and thier Chunky Monkey... 'drool'
uhoh..... "erases my own license"
With this thread Sam, you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?
:edit: read TS window too Sam please =)
I think you are forgetting a bit that it might be that Moose did indeed have a conversation with said beta tester and the beta tester said it was ok to leak information. The information would get to the public and it would be harder to trace....
Saying that the simulator could be made of gold but like Sam pointed out most of the community here will not touch it with a ten foot barge pole because of the simple fact of how they are running the rental system congruent with a service payment. I want my money to mean something, not pissed away into the wind. I don't care how amazing the services are. There are other ways to earn money to support services like the event system iRacing is running.
Personally I also don't like the fact that the sim developers have the say in who races in leagues and who doesn't. For obvious reasons I feel there is a strong conflict of interest. Which is another reason why I won't look at the sim.
Third reason I won't touch the sim, there is no demo that is free. Why would I want to pay $20 to find out IF I like something, something seems wrong there to me.
The simulator itself is not the major problem. The problem starts with these above said points which has nothing to do with the actual game engine and physics and the unwillingness to look at the game stems from the shear amount of money needed to support sim racing. I race online because it's cheap, not because I want to.
Saying that the simulator could be made of gold but like Sam pointed out most of the community here will not touch it with a ten foot barge pole because of the simple fact of how they are running the rental system congruent with a service payment. I want my money to mean something, not pissed away into the wind. I don't care how amazing the services are. There are other ways to earn money to support services like the event system iRacing is running.
Personally I also don't like the fact that the sim developers have the say in who races in leagues and who doesn't. For obvious reasons I feel there is a strong conflict of interest. Which is another reason why I won't look at the sim.
Third reason I won't touch the sim, there is no demo that is free. Why would I want to pay $20 to find out IF I like something, something seems wrong there to me.
The simulator itself is not the major problem. The problem starts with these above said points which has nothing to do with the actual game engine and physics and the unwillingness to look at the game stems from the shear amount of money needed to support sim racing. I race online because it's cheap, not because I want to.
This was the direction my first post eluded to. IMO it would be a much wiser direction. The people playing simulators play for a reason, that reason is they don't have the money to do the real thing and increasing the level of money required only raises the entrance bar, thus limiting participants, but I guess this is the way they want to go with their glorified league system with their own private simulator...
It's decent, here is the reigning king for FWD's in both handling and acceleration from the factory. The Super Mini is right behind it.
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/0 ... track-day-dodge-srt4-acr/
Thats about 2 weeks before Aimee is due, not sure if I can go on this one =/
I made that same mistake as well. My 12 year old brother now has it while I use my momo.
Not seeing where you are getting this from. Pickup racing is one thing, but I have not seen league races where they allow people to cut tracks... unless the driver is running some club type event with little regard to professionalism. I know for a fact the STCC and eTM enforce/d these rules. I was a driver for one and I am an admin for the other. So there is at least two leagues that have/has enforced these rules.
So, if you goto the store and see something you really want, worth $300 over the course of a year? You think this is cheap and people should be wanting to spend their money on it? Which is what you guys are saying is acceptable. Can't see that myself. That pays for a month of food or fuel.
I cannot justify paying that much for something that I can play for free with a great community and has rules that are very similar, albeit a bit more variable in the enforcement.
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